Everything You Need to Know About Your Child’s Online Safety

Intro 0:01

Welcome to the She Said Privacy/He Said Security podcast. Like any good marriage we will debate, evaluate and sometimes quarrel about how privacy and security impact business in the 21st century.

Jodi Daniels 0:21

Hi, Jodi Daniels here. I’m the founder and CEO of Red Clover Advisors, a certified women’s privacy consultancy. I’m a privacy consultant and a certified informational privacy professional and I help provide practical privacy advice to overwhelmed companies and I’m joined by

Justin Daniels 0:38

Jodi Daniel’s husband, Justin here, I am passionate about helping companies solve complex cyber and privacy challenges during the lifecycle of their business. I’m the cyber quarterback that helps clients design and implement cyber plans as well as help them manage and recover from ransomware in business email COMM

Jodi Daniels 0:57

And this episode is brought to you by Red Clover Advisors. Thank you for my drum roll. We help companies to comply with data privacy laws and establish customer trust so that they can grow and nurture integrity. We work with companies in a variety of fields, including technology, SAS, ecommerce, media agencies, and professional and financial services. In short, we use data privacy to transform the way companies do business. Together, we’re creating a future where there’s greater trust between companies and consumers. To learn more, visit redcloveradvisors.com and today, we are so excited to talk about a very important topic keeping kids safe online. And with us, we have Titania Jordan, she is the Chief Marketing Officer and super cool title Chief Parent Officer of Bark Technologies, an online safety company that helps kids safe online and in real life, a renowned thought leader and digital parenting. Titania has contributed two pieces in the Wall Street Journal, Forbes, Huffington Post, Fox Business, Daily Mail USA Today, and many more that I can’t list here today. And her first book, Parenting in The Tech World grab a copy was published in 2020. And quickly became a best seller on Amazon. Welcome to the show.

Titania Jordan 2:17

Oh my goodness, thank you so much for having me. Can you just be my hype person?

Jodi Daniels 2:25

You know, it also really helps when it’s only day two back from vacation.

Titania Jordan  2:30

Like I will take that energy fleece.

Jodi Daniels 2:33

Absolutely. We have Justin here and he’s happy.

Justin Daniels 2:36

Can I go back?

Jodi Daniels 2:38

You can go back.

Justin Daniels 2:40

Can we just go back to Colorado and come back in September when the heat is gone?

Jodi Daniels 2:44

Ah, yeah, I need to be like October the way it’s

Justin Daniels 2:49

h h and eight. All righty. kick us off. I can no. Let’s start from the beginning. Talk to us a little bit about how you got started and how you got to where you are today with Bark.

Titania Jordan  3:02

Okay, there’s a long answer short answer. And I’m gonna go with the medium short answer. Perfect. Yes. And so where I am at Bark. As you mentioned, I’m the Chief Parenting Officer and Chief Marketing Officer at this tech company that helps to protect over 5 million children across the nation, which is insane in so many ways. It’s powerful, the mission, it’s empowering as a mother in tech. And the best part about this and this is an indirect answer to your questions. The fact that I didn’t go to school for artificial intelligence, or computer science, or any of it, like I went to school to learn how to be a marketer. And I’m actually really an artist when it comes down to it. I’m a creative and in the world of marketing today, you have to definitely have that creative aspect. What you really need is analytical thinking, data analysis, the ability to understand algorithms and retargeting and pixels and they’re so there’s so much science and math involved and marketing that it’s just, it’s mind blowing that I am where I am. And it’s all for me personally, it’s due to the grace of God I you know, continues to open doors where I only see walls, and I’m just so grateful for that. And in terms of Okay, what does that mean to Titania? That’s a little bit fluffy. What does that mean? I have spent my career at the intersection of parenting and tech whether that’s working at Star 90 for a local Atlanta radio station before like social media was a thing and helping to target women from you know, big campaigns that we’re launching in the Atlanta market before you know there was a Facebook and Instagram to then eventually moving to online and digital marketing and, and helping clients and advertisers cut through the clutter of how do I talk to mom, how do I talk to women instead of at them and at all? comes down to being authentic building community making sure that the value proposition you offer is clearly communicated and one that they actually care about. And then and leaning into that the power of word of mouth, which thankfully for all of us, we have amplified so much. So now because of social media,

Jodi Daniels 5:17

Well thank you, I am going to definitely have our daughter listen to this because she’s not a fan of math and I love how you connected a creative, which she is to math. So thank you, I can’t wait to have her listen. I’m switching gears a little bit like let’s kind of talk about you know, the risks that we have nowadays. So sad daughter that is creative and loves to hate math, rather, is, you know, begging for a phone. And sadly, she has parents better privacy and security people and we’re like, Ah, yeah, no, not not so much. And

Justin Daniels 5:53

so you didn’t even characterize that right? She was, she had no chance. He was, she went into a brick wall. bless

Jodi Daniels 6:00

her heart for a child. Um, but in all seriousness, alright, there’s, there’s plenty of children who have digital devices, I mean, sad daughter does have an iPad, just very limited capabilities of water on it, you know, now and of course, all children have phones, according to her right? So everyone has a phone. But in all seriousness, there are so many people out there who have digital devices, what are the common misconceptions that parents have about digital devices in their kid? Cool.

Titania Jordan 6:31

That is another question that could have a whole five hour episode dedicated to it. Um, common misconceptions are, we’ll start with the not my kid syndrome. Like I know that, you know, sometimes bad things happen to kids online, but not my kid, my kids too smart, my kids too innocent, my kid doesn’t know where to look for the bad things or the bad people. My kid would tell me if something bad happened, or I would know, I would be able to tell if my child was disturbed in some way, shape, or form, etc. So that misconception encompasses all parents. And it’s because good kids make bad choices. And so your kids are great kids. They’re great kids, they’re smart kids, they’re lovely kids with their kids, they’re going to make mistakes. That’s what kids do. And you’ve given them the opportunity to make an exponential amount of them with this device in the center and access. We didn’t have that his kids are mistakes, didn’t live forever on some server and some cloud. So that’s, that’s first misconception. Second misconception is that you, as a parent can fully understand their world, you can be in tech, like you are and like I am, but you still can’t quite relate to what their world is, because we didn’t grow up that way. You know, if you are deciding between letting your child have access to a device or social media or not, you’re essentially determining their, their social sphere, and how they, you know, communicate with peers, or be accepted by peers, that’s a much bigger decision. They’re just in the way that they speak. And the means that they share their language, their their emojis, the things that are important to them, the trends that they can jump on so much more quickly than we ever could. It’s just a whole new world. I mean, think about it. Think about how we dressed in like eighth grade, or 10th grade or even senior year, right? Like we needed some help, you know, we got our fashion advice from like fashion magazines, and maybe the TV. Now you look at young women, you know, ninth grade, 10th grade, 12th grade, and they have some pretty amazing style, and that but they’re also very, very mature for their age, they’re just a lot has changed, right? And so that is another common misconception is that we can truly understand what their world is like not having lived through it at that same age. And that same stage, there’s a lot more, I’ll pause there, because those are the two biggest areas. I guess I’d

Justin Daniels 8:58

like to ask you a follow up question, which is, what are some of the common dangers that kids face online that maybe parents don’t think about? Like, I know, to think about their bad people online who want to solicit my kid, but what are some of the things that parents don’t think about that are dangers from your experience?

Titania Jordan 9:14

Yes. And thank you for surfacing that, you know, just during the pandemic, we saw a 23% increase in alerts that we sent around online predation. And so to your point about knowing about, you know, adults with bad intentions that want to solicit your kids, the rate of online predation is only increasing, it’s not decreasing, and they are very smart. They know how to access your kids, they know where your kids are hanging out spending time, so if you don’t think it can or might happen to your child, please think again, we at Bark actually went undercover as an 11 year old on Instagram prove how pervasive it was. And within a matter of moments, we had adult men dming us for inappropriate reasons, and so it was pretty gut wrenching and eye opening. So That’s that about online predation. But the dangers are so much more. It’s not just online predators. Expanding from online predation, there’s sexual content and sex is not bad. A sexual content in itself is not dangerous. It’s a beautiful thing. reason we’re all here, because somebody did that. But the rabbit holes that children can go down. It’s not like when we were kids and we go to a library and check out a book and consume some quality that information or have sex education, it’s it’s a rabbit hole, a lot of misinformation. And so your children are being exposed to pornography and other other certain themes at a much younger age. And it’s just there’s a lot more of it. Outside of sexual content. There’s violence, I mean, goodness gracious, the things that you can stumble across, even on tik tok or even Google even with filters pretty hardcore. And it’s jarring in terms of profanity, you know, when when kids first get access to the internet, a lot of parents are like, worried about the F word. And other words, that’s like, that’s so cute. That’s so cute. Because is that a matter of if, but when they’re going to see all the bad words, right, and like your problems are going to move beyond that. But bark does offer profanity filter for those initial stages, mental health is a big, I would, it’s hard to call the danger. Because being mentally healthy is not dangerous. It’s great. But the dangers that exist, to effect your child’s mental health are great, whether they are depressed or anxious. Expressing thoughts of of suicide or self harm, oh, again, a lot of parents don’t think it can or will happen to their child until it does add to give everyone listening some data, you know, said suicide is the second leading cause of death in children in this country. And we’re talking about children as young as 10. And younger, it’s, it is a problem. And we cannot be afraid to address it. A lot of people are afraid that if they talk about mental health, or talk about suicide, or depression or anxiety, they’ll put those thoughts into their children’s heads. They’re your kids aren’t exposed to it, they just are. And so reducing the stigma, letting letting your kids know it’s okay to not be okay, that there’s hope they’re not alone. And even if you feel comfortable doing so, or have personal experience with it, sharing with your children, hey, I’ve actually struggled with XYZ. Here’s how I dealt with it. It can be really powerful. Because a lot of times myself included, I thought it I have to be a perfect rock of strength for my child, they can’t know that I struggle. If they know that I struggle. It’ll upset the applecart and they’ll they’ll be anxious about their stability in their world. And that’s not the case. They need to be able to relate to you about in all the ways so not to be a Debbie Downer. Basically, every bad thing you could possibly imagine multiplied times 10 that’s on the internet. And chances are your child will encounter it at some point in time.

Jodi Daniels 12:56

I would love after hearing all of that to keep my kids in a bubble. But I know that’s not realistic, especially as you pointed out, right? That’s part of their their social world today. So I want to be able to protect them, which is a significant part of Barks mission. I’d love for you to explain to our audience, what is Bark? And how does it work? Yes.

Titania Jordan  13:18

So Bark is technology that keeps children safer online? And what does that mean? And what does that look like? And how does it work, we are using artificial intelligence to scan the conversations, the emojis, the pictures, the audio, the video that is coming in and going out and rich children’s digital signal, whether that’s over 30 social media platforms, text messages, email, Bark algorithm will scan it. And then alert when there’s a problem. Bark is not going to give parents full unfettered access to all their children’s devices and accounts because to your point, we have to raise responsible digital natives, we can’t helicopter them, we can’t do everything. for them. We can’t clear every rock and their path because when they’re on their own, they’re not going to know how to navigate rocky paths. But we have to give them some guardrails and be alerted when they do encounter those dangers. And so that’s what Bark does talked about the algorithm and the artificial intelligence, the capabilities and the reach. We also offer filtering options and just screen time options because that’s what our our customers are asking for. And I can speak to that in a minute about just the differentiation between Bark and other platforms. We offer filtering so that you can prevent them from encountering as many bad things. Again, those are opportunities that are given to you through your internet service provider, your mobile carrier, sometimes children’s school laptops, etc. But they’re not perfect and ours are great one to offer that as well. Bark also not only works families but we also help schools so children as you know are given devices and accounts at school and need a good way to stay safe. those devices and accounts. And so Bark offers our tech to schools across the country at no charge.

Jodi Daniels 15:05

And when. And thank you so much for sharing and for helping schools, but especially at no charge, because there’s so many schools that wouldn’t be able to afford the services. But we also need to be able to help protect those children. My question is going to be when I think it’d be helpful, someone might be listening, you’re like, gosh, this is really interesting. So if said, child is doing something that we don’t really like, and I get an alert, what does that alert look like? And what does the parent then do?

Titania Jordan 15:29

Yes. And so what it looks like is, let’s say your child is on a text thread with some friends. And one of those friends says, Go kill yourself, which is really jarring, right? But that’s how that’s how kids talk to each other today and tease each other. That’s that’s just where we are. Bark will send you an alert, if it determines that your child has actually been cyber bullied. Bark will not send you an alert. And the alerts come via text and email. If, for example, that conversation is around, like, Oh my gosh, I just tripped in front of that, boy, I like, I’m going to go kill myself. That is not actual suicidal ideation. And we don’t want to scare you. And don’t waste your time with the way children speak if it’s not a serious threat. So that’s a little bit about the difference between the nuances of language and what it looks like again, or come via text or via email, or both. And you’ll see a snippet of the conversation, you’re not going to see the whole text thread. But you’re going to see that part just to give you enough information about who said what and the context. When that comes, you’ll also receive best recommended next steps for how to address if your child is expressing the desire to hurt themselves. How do you deal with it? How do you talk to them? What are the resources that are available to us as a nation, hotlines, etc. And we give you best recommended next steps from professionals in the space, child mental health and wellness experts, because it is not easy. It is very, very hard. Whether it’s mental health, sexting, violence, online predation, a lot of difficult things we have to navigate as families. And so Bark will alert you and give you those steps for how to address.

Jodi Daniels 17:13

Excellent, very helpful, thank you.

Justin Daniels 17:14

So if I’m a parent, you are a parent,

Jodi Daniels 17:17

you forget your keys.

Justin Daniels 17:18

Yes. I’ll be reminded at three o’clock, how do I go and think about how I might use Bark or Bark in conjunction with other tools so that I can have a better understanding of what’s going on with my kids online presence, you know, if it’s apparent help walk me through what that Odyssey might look like.

Titania Jordan 17:36

Absolutely. And I’ll start with an analogy, if I can, you know, you don’t put your kid in a car without a car seat, eventually a seatbelt. Without car insurance. Yeah. You know, let them ride a bike without a helmet. You don’t go to the beach without sunscreen. Like there’s all these great opportunities we have in the world to experience and go further faster and adventure. But there’s some safety precautions you put in place. That’s that’s Bark tech, and in and of itself is not bad. It’s It’s great. It’s exciting. We have so much potential for creation, and curation and competition. But it comes with dangers. And so we have to help protect our kids virtually just like we protect them in real life with all the things I just mentioned. And so when you do decide to let your child access the internet, whether it’s through the family iPad, or they get a smartphone, or it’s a gaming console, they’re allowed to utilize or have. That’s the moment where you implement Bark, and Bark will partner and connect with over 30 social media platforms, Apple or iOS or Android devices, certain gaming consoles to limit screen time. That’s where it gets a little complicated because everybody has a different tech stack. Like in my home, my son has an iPhone, we have ps4. There’s a family iPad, there’s laptops, there’s there’s a lot right and so depending on how he’s using it, and what he’s using, I’ve gone through the process of toggling on the you know, when I want him to be able to access the internet, I set time limits, not only in terms of when the access can happen before how long the access can happen. And full disclosure. Apple and Google offer free versions of this. So Apple has Apple screentime. Google has Google family link and you can set time limits and implement filters with those software’s which I use in conjunction with Bark. The way Bark is different though, is that Google and Apple aren’t going to alert you when your child has encountered an online predator or cyberbullying or thoughts of suicide and depression Bark is going to alert you and not only tell you there’s a problem that gives you best recommended next steps for how to address and depending on updates to Apple and Google’s operating systems and availability Bark gives you a More specific level of customization, not only for your family, but but per child. And it’s just a more comprehensive way to manage the very nuances of what you want your child to access and when and who you want them to talk to. And when was that all over the place? Or was that helpful?

Justin Daniels 20:19

No, I think it was helpful. The only follow up I’d have have to share with our audience, maybe when we send out our show notes is, where do you recommend that people go to learn more about these technologies? Because I know as a parent, and Jodi even though we’re in the industry, we were constantly trying to learn more about these resources. So I’d love maybe we’ll we’ll share them in the in the show notes as to where people can go to websites and whatnot to get further educated about the different tools, because obviously, you can’t touch on them all on the limited time we have here. Right? That would be pretty beneficial to our listeners. So we’ll make sure we follow up and put that in the show notes are sure. But the other follow up question I wanted to ask was, and you know, I think Jodi, and I have the same challenge that all parents do, which is how do we start a engaging conversation with our child about how they can go about being a successful digital citizen, because in a way, they’re kind of oblivious to all the things that you’re talking about until they run up against it? And they don’t quite know, what is all this jarring language and pictures and whatnot. So maybe you can teach the two of us how we can have an engaging conversation with our 11 year old because we’re always scratching our heads as to how to go about that in a in a productive way.

Titania Jordan 21:33

Totally. It’s, it’s not easy, but I think the first thing I would comment on is it’s not a conversation, it is multiple conversations, it’s dialogue over the course of their lifetime. before they can even speak it’s it’s knowing that your children are observing you, you know, are you do you always have this up to your face? Even at the dinner table? Are you always recording and photographing your every move? Or do you sometimes just enjoy things in the moment with them without having to capture it? As they get older? They observe you, you know, commenting on how many likes you get, or comments you get on something, or always having to put, you know, the most perfect image forward and everything that you post? Or are you more authentic in your in your communications? And do you value in real life communication just as much as as digital? When your children get old enough to understand the concept of a tricky person, right? Like in our day, our parents would talk to us about stranger danger. So sorry about my dogs, picking up kids. That is

Jodi Daniels 22:36

stranger danger. I should be concerned about the dogs or us Yes.

Titania Jordan  22:40

Yeah, right. No, I think I think I am that is my 12 and a half year old running around. But yeah, you know, you might not talk to your six year old about online predation. But you can talk about tricky people and how some people might seem really, really nice and cool online. And they might seem to know a lot of value, but they’re tricky. And they might not have good intentions. And so never ever reveal PII that’s personally identifiable information, where you live what your name is, yeah, your date of birth, your parents, your parents names, where you go to school, none of that that is a vault, we keep that in a vault, even if the person seems really nice, even if they are sending you gifts, or coins, or, you know, just have your heavier antenna up as your children get older. And as you deem that they can handle some heavier topics. One thing that has helped me have conversations with my son is to share what unfortunately has happened to other kids. You know, what I hear in the news, and there are stories every day. But when I hear in the news about a child meeting somebody on Minecraft, and like leaving their house until the night to go meet this person and then never coming home. I share that with him a to help him understand that I’m not just full of hot air. And catastrophizing, that be let him know, like a bit, this kid was really smart. I bet his parents had these conversations with him. But somehow, he still decided to leave his house and go meet this person. And now he’s never coming home. And I don’t want that to happen to you. There are so many stories in the news that you can share with your child in an age appropriate way. But you think they can handle it of like, let’s not let this happen to you. And how do you think this happened? And have you ever heard of something like this happening? Has anything weird ever happened to you letting them know that you know that you’re a safe place, they can talk about anything, even as cringy as it might be, and you’re not going to judge them and you’re not going to punish them. A lot of kids are afraid to surface this sort of thing because they don’t want to lose access. They don’t want you to take away their game or take away their phone or remove their form of entertainment or social interaction. So it’s Yeah, it’s not easy. It’s it’s ongoing. It’s hard topics. It’s earlier than you thought and it’s more frequently than you thought so on

Jodi Daniels 24:57

that theme and then I will include for the show notes. For those listening, what might be three places that parents can go maintain their knowledge, because we’re in the technology space, we see it changing all the time. So there’s new threats. There’s new ways there’s new vulnerabilities in some of these social platforms, and what might be, you know, avenues for people to stay informed.

Titania Jordan  25:22

Absolutely. And before I give you those three tips, I want to include one more thing, which is just misinformation. We talk a lot about these like intense dangers. There’s just a lot of misinformation out there, the teaching your children how to search responsibly, and that sources are probably not just take whatever they see for truth is important.

Jodi Daniels 25:41

But assuming your favorite, it’s on the internet, you love that you’re supposed to make fun. Um, you’re still in making shine.

Justin Daniels 25:46

It’s okay. I’m trying to decide after the last comment, I should just hide under the desk.

Jodi Daniels 25:51

You can’t do that. Yes, I tried to bring you back.

Justin Daniels 25:54

I know I have to be a parent. But sometimes I want to hide under the desk. But we can’t we don’t have that option, right?

Titania Jordan  25:59

I know, I want to just put my baby back in my belly, where he could just be safe from everything. But that’s what worked for a lot of different reasons. Yeah. So yeah, what are some three places parents can go? One is an amazing resource called the parenting in a tech world Facebook group. So for those of you who are on Facebook, and I get it if you’re not, but if you’re on Facebook, there’s a group called parenting in the tech world where it’s over 120,000 parents in there right now, talking about this exact thing. All day all night. Speaking of Bark, that is my dog, Rocky, letting me know something’s happening in the background, probably a deer outside but apologies for that. But yes, the parenting the tech world Facebook group covers all the things and there’s so many parents in there who are being really vulnerable with Hey, I’m dealing with this or Hey, what do you think about this, or, hey, Apple just came out with this, here’s what you should know. You’ll get candid feedback about Bark and other tech options out there about you know, what people love about and what people don’t. So it’s a it’s a pretty unbiased resource for anybody out there. I’d be remiss if I didn’t share with you the Bark Blog, that is a really great source of information for all these things that we talked about. It’s just bark.us/blog, or you can just go to bark.us and you’ll see it on the page that we’re constantly

Justin Daniels 27:22

Sorry, I was going to ask you is rocky a consistent contributor for hockey?

Titania Jordan  27:28

bless his heart No, but he does keep me company as I read and write so he’s so sweet. He’s He’s an Australian Shepherd, just goodness gracious, the sweetest dog ever. Um, but anyway, back to parenting and tech. There is also a documentary that every parent should watch. And if you have let your child have access to social media, they’re old enough to watch it. It’s called childhood2.0 and it is free documentary, you can get it on YouTube and a variety of other places. It’s about 90 minutes that it goes into the world of what what what the world is like for kids today, if you’re from kids, and from mental health and other experts. So really powerful film, I encourage everybody to watch it, and you ask for three, but I’m gonna give you four. And there is a great, great resource called protect young eyes. It is a site curated by Chris McKenna, who is a data for ad he has some of the most comprehensive guides, you can find around all the things great guy, great dad, he appears on childhood2.0. I subscribe to his newsletter, he keeps me informed just all around great resource, protect young eyes.

Jodi Daniels 28:37

Those are fabulous resources. I can’t wait to check the video and the guide out. So thank you so so much. Now aside from protecting children, what we ask our guests the same two questions, which the first one is what is your best personal cyber tip there just thinking about privacy and security overall? What is your best personal cyber tip?

Titania Jordan  28:59

Wow, that’s so hard. That’s so so hard, I would have to say use very strong passwords, I don’t have the same password for everything. Every single thing that you log into is like your pet’s name, your birthday, like you’re just asking for trouble. So very, very, very strong passwords, all of them different that can help mitigate a lot. Yeah, that’s that’s it.

Jodi Daniels 29:25

You like that one?

Justin Daniels 29:26

I do. Because I was listening to a conversation earlier today where we were talking about this exact topic, and people would say, I agree that’s good. But then when you would ask them, Well, what do you do? They would sheepishly admit, well, it’s inconvenient to have all those different passwords, I have to remember them a password manager is, you know, something else I have to pay for. And I’m like, would you rather have ID theft and I thought it was interesting that you mentioned that but yet I hear people say that and then sheepishly admit that. I know that’s what I should do, but it’s inconvenient and I don’t want a password manager and they take their risk that you’re talking

Titania Jordan 30:00

Oh yeah, no, I mean it’s it’s the insurance analogy like don’t wait till you need it. Because it’s way more painful to not have it

Jodi Daniels 30:07

that is for sure.

Justin Daniels 30:09

So let’s change topics a little bit and just what is it when you’re not helping protect children with the Bark? What do you like to do for fun?

Titania Jordan  30:18

What do I like to do for fun? I love to create I love to make jewelry paint, dance, play with my dogs spend time with my family. Probably but ultimate favorite thing to do is to be either creating or being physically active with my family and dogs all at the same time. That’s like you know Dreamworld whether it’s Legos or hiking through the woods. Yeah, just quality, quality time.

Jodi Daniels 30:43

Well, that sounds like so much fun. Now, where can people find you if they want to learn more.

Titania Jordan 30:49

So if you want to learn more about Bark, it is so easy to do that you just go to bark.us for those of you that need to type the www before you go to a website, that’s fine. You can type www.bark.us it’s not com, it’s dot us. So that’s the website. From there. You can do all the things we have links to our social profiles and blog and all the things if you want to connect with me personally, I am my name across all the places, whether it’s LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, smoke signal, like all the things. It’s Titania Jordan, and I love love to connect with you and hear from you and put out quality content to help educate and empower you. Well, thank

Jodi Daniels 31:33

you so much. It’s incredibly important for parents to understand the risks that are out there for their kids in this digital worlds that we’re in, it’s ever changing. And I’m so grateful that you could spend time with us to share more about what Bark is doing to help protect our kids and all kids out there.

Titania Jordan  31:52

Thank you. Thank you for having me. Thank you for raising awareness around these issues and for being the parent that you are because you’re awesome.

Outro 32:02

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